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hey y'all Ryan Sprague here as you all

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global confirmation is a lot of

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disturbing things will occur it's just

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too awful skinwalker ranch this is like

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the area 51 of the paranormal it was not

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a single phenomena there were a host of

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things that happened have there been

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experiences there that have shaken the

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Pentagon and CIA and other agencies

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absolutely nobody knows what we're

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dealing with that's the bottom line

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nobody knows

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this is 30 or 40 hours of material that

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the public has never seen before they

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saw this humanoid creature crawling

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through this tunnel hovering four feet

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something forced for 2,000 pound Bulls

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to cram themselves into this trailer

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without opening this door it's

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completely impossible I've seen things

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that I cannot explain this was one of

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the most surprising things that we

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recorded right after I purchased the

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ranch yes something is here these are

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real tangible physical event this is

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ancient it's one thing to be reading

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about UFOs or other realities or

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interdimensional it's another thing to

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be staring at it right in the face this

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is somewhere in the skies the brain

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space

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague today we're

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talking about an area in the western

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United States that has been deemed the

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Disneyland of the paranoid UFOs cattle

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mutilations horrific creatures

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apparitions electrical and magnetic

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forces that rip metal and steel from its

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hinges and endless amounts of other

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strange activity this is the Utah

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property known as skinwalker ranch and

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today we have the director and filmmaker

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of a new documentary about these

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mysteries surrounding the ranch Jeremy

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Corbyn finally returns to somewhere in

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the skies based on the best-selling book

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by George Knapp and dr. Cole Kelleher

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hunt for the skinwalker corbels deeply

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disturbing film is an intimate and

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unnerving portrait of the events

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surrounding the most extensive

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scientific study of a paranormal hotspot

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in human history we dive deep into how

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this all came to be

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what Gore Bell personally experienced

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and we even get the exclusive that will

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rock the UFO community and beyond in

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relation to the secret Pentagon UFO

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program and it's stunning connections to

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skinwalker ranch let's get to my

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Jeremy thank you so much for joining me

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today on somewhere in the skies it's my

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pleasure Ryan I'm excited to be here

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with you

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awesome man I mean the last time we

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spoke you were just starting work on

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what we're gonna be talking about today

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so to see this come to fruition the film

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releases to morrow that is the hunt for

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the skinwalker I am so excited to have

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you back it's come full circle brother

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thanks man yeah I really appreciate it

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it is a very exciting time I'm shocked

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and amazed I was able to make this movie

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not only in general but also in the

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short time line you know however work

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had been going on this movie for almost

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2 - 2 decades by my mentor and

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journalism George Knapp you know and

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that's you know some of the footage I

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was able to use so this project has been

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almost 30 years in the making yes yes

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and it definitely shows we'll get into

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that as well the archival footage that

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you uncovered as it were but before we

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even get to the main focus of the

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interview I wanted to talk briefly about

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your other film so many of my listeners

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are also fascinated by this topic that's

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area 51's for in mr. bob lazar the

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enigmatic man behind area 51 so you have

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exclusive interviews with Bob you you've

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spoken to him on many occasions you have

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rare footage over 30 years of this man's

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life in terms of what he's brought

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forward so maybe before we even get into

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skinwalker could you tease us a little

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bit about the film bob lazar and what

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that's gonna focus on in December this

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will be released correct yeah actually

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there will be a premiere in Los Angeles

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at the Ace Hotel movie theater they call

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the theater it's a 1,600 person theater

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it's gonna be epic

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and that's December 3rd will be the

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world premiere and it will actually be

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an invitational event people will be

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able to buy tickets Bob and I will be

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hosting it just to give you a little bit

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of information on the bob lazar film so

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the way I make films I really immerse

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myself I need a willing participant

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because when I do these documentary

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narrative films kind of about people's

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you know who they are not just their

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story but who they

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our it requires that I go live with them

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as an example so with Bob over the years

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I've gone and lived with him and filmed

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his every move his daily life for weeks

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at a time and he also came and lived

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with me for a while and so it was a way

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to get to know I mean really we're just

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having fun having a you know like a

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vacation but it's also a time to really

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get to know the daily habits and the

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details of an individual which is so

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essential in the Bob Lazar story so it's

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a very in-depth personal humanizing film

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nothing good comes from your own feel

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for him this is a robot that UFO Messiah

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this week we've heard the contention of

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UFO researchers that there's a secret

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government within our government well

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there's several actually nine flying

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saucers flying this that are out there

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of extraterrestrial origin

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the live interview with the shadowy

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dentist drew international attention

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portions were broadcast by radio and six

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European countries and in a nationally

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televised TV special in Japan despite

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numerous inquiries and feelers Dennis

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has remained anonymous until now his

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real name is Robert Lazar he says he was

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hired to work at an area called s4 which

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is a few miles south of groom lake at s4

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he says our flying saucers antimatter

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reactors and other working examples of

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technology that is seemingly beyond

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human capabilities I did not believe

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that this should be a security matter

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some of it sure but just the concept

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that there's definite proof we even have

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articles from another world another

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system you just can't not tell everyone

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kept getting stranger the fact that it

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was happening at all was the weirdest

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part look it's been 30 years and all of

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a sudden you raised it to this level you

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know this is a powerful technology fears

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of Technology and you just don't want

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everyone to have

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they will become obvious how to make

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constructive as well as destructive

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devices from it it's my only guess as to

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why they have never released information

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it's kind of difficult once you release

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the technology to be analyzed and give

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it to everyone they can just run with it

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you really can't keep the weapon

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potential hidden you really can't look

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where the et technology you can

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literally rule the world well I am

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telling tried to prove that what's going

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on up there could be the most important

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event in history you're talking about

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contact physical physical contact and

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proof from another another system

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another planet and other intelligence

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that's got to be the biggest event in

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history period and it's free and it's

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real and it's there it's not a film just

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trying to prove or disprove his claims

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that's for you to do this is showing you

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and giving you more information to base

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your belief system on ultimately Bob

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story and he said many times he cannot

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prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt but

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if you look at it and you start to add

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up the plus is compared to the minuses

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that's when you make an educated guess

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that's when you your belief has value

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your belief is based on something so

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that's what I'm trying to do the film is

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provide that to you for those of your

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audience who don't know who Bob Lazar is

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he is probably I call them the Elvis of

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ufology he's he's his story is

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singularly in my opinion and this is why

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I wanted to do this movie the most

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important UFO testimony that there has

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ever been because if his story is true

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it is literally game-changing for the

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for humanity for the human race so so

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Bob Lazar is a former government

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physicist that we can prove at Los

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Alamos he's a former government

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physicist who basically made headlines

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in 1989 when he came forward with his

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account of reverse engineering alien

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spacecraft for the US military he came

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forward through

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with the pseudonym Dennis you didn't

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reveal his identity at first and that's

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the reason the public even knows about

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area 51 is because the word to air the

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words area 51 only known because Lazar

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talked about it and he talked about what

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he was doing at that formerly secret

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military base so he was kind of Lazar

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was kind of burdened with this

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revolutionary secret he was holding and

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he had to choose between his oath to his

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country or basically his conscience I

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mean he was scared for his life if we

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follow Bob's testimony and what he said

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happened to him so again his testimony

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remains the most controversial that's

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for sure and in my opinion the most

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important UFO story of all time so my

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film will intimately chronicle kind of

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the challenges and travails of being a

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cosmic whistleblower what he went

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through and it investigates you know his

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groundbreaking claims absolutely and

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also shines a light on the devastating

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impact that that coming Ford had on his

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life I'm in the UFO field the UFO

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subject has done nothing good for Bob

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Lazar you've heard that before but but

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to really understand that you need to

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know Bob you need to see him in his

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daily life which you will in my film and

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you will see that what occurred in his

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life because of coming forward about

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these UFO claims I mean it's done

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nothing good for a man it's been bad for

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him so you know now his life is leveling

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out to some degree and we thought you

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know people didn't care anymore we

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thought that the the eyes that he had on

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him during that time but you'll see in

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my film that might not be the case

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there's some dramatic moments so this

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film will alter the landscape of the

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debate on Bob Lazar you know he blew the

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whistle he shocked the world but he kind

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of went silent and it was really hard to

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get anything out from him for 30 years

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for the first time in depth in cinema

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you will see who Bob is you will see his

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story you'll see what he went through

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and you'll see the people closer to him

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and that have surrounded him for thirty

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years and see what they think so the

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film is not you know a binary film of

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prove or disprove every detail of the

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lazarre's claim

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I'm trying to give you something much

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more powerful which is insight to to his

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character absolutely and I mean you also

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in the recent past you found people who

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claimed that they worked with lazar

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there they saw him there which i think

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is a big contention in the field of

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finding other people that were connected

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to Bob and again that's something that

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you uncovered and that I assume you're

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gonna bring forward in the film as well

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so that's extremely powerful testimony

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for sure yeah and let's be clear not

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nobody that worked at s4 there were 22

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people in in the project that he worked

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on s4 there's nobody who has ever come

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forward that even Bob believes worked at

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s4 however yes I was able to find

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colleagues of his that could go on

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record with me that worked with him in

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scientific capacity in security

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briefings with Bob at Los Alamos which

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is always something that people tried to

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diminish Bob that he was never at Los

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Alamos and even George Knapp saying look

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Bob took me there I took a camera we

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went around he worked there as a

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scientist at the maze on particle

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accelerator at the facility but no one

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would come forward now I've talked to a

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lot of people that have worked with Bob

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in scientific capacity they just can't

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go on record so that was the win was to

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get somebody who said yes I worked at

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Los Alamos with Bob Lazar but as far as

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his claims at s4 sub-base of area 51 no

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we don't we don't have anybody but there

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are ripples there are things that are

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very intriguing about his claims he was

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put through his paces for example about

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when he landed at area 51 and remember

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this is back in 1989 nobody even knew

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the name area 51 but he was put through

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his paces from employee is a very 51

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George Knapp set it up he passed with

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flying colors he knew exactly the color

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of the paint how meals were purchased

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and he didn't even spend a lot of time

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at area 51 that's just where he did you

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know basic you know intake on his way to

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s4 according to his claims so anyway

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it's a complicated story there are

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things that I found out I found people

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who have been not been able to be found

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in 30 years so this film will

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some things that people don't know

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that's awesome and I can't wait we did a

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episode on on Lazar in the past and it

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remains one of the highest downloaded

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episodes so the interest clearly is

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still there and I know it's only gonna

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peak once this comes out so thank you

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thank you for sharing that with us I

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can't wait for that in December and

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there's just yeah there's just so much

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footage to that's the the real

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strawberry is is taking the years of

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work that I've put in you know starting

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with interviews back in 2013 and putting

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all of this together into a two-hour

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film with maybe probably two hours of

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bonus material that's a monumental task

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think about it this way the world has

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had in total three to four hours in

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total of testimony from Bob Lazar over

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30 years okay that's about to be doubled

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overnight and that's the tip of the

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iceberg of how deep I've gone with

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interviews with with Bob so the world's

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gonna change according to his story with

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his story it's gonna change wow that

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really puts it into perspective that's

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another big thing man is spending all

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this time doing your research

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investigating and trying to get it into

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two hours max into a film I can only

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imagine that was the challenge for your

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next film the reason we're we're really

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here today and that's hunt for the

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skinwalker which drops tomorrow

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September 11th and this is a massive

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undertaking man having viewed the film

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recently thank you by the way I've

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watched it twice already some listeners

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you know they may not be too familiar

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with what skinwalker ranch is but for

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those who may not be maybe you could

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give us kind of a brief overview of

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where skinwalker ranch is a little about

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maybe the Corman family sort of that

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history and if you wouldn't mind kind of

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giving us the condensed version yeah

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it's really important that people

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understand the basics I want to first

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put it in relation to modern day though

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because that's really what this movie

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it's breaking a story this is news this

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is something that the news is taken

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seriously this film is breaking a story

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it's because the story has been it's

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it's been wrong up til now with the New

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York Times and and all the information

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about UFOs and the Pentagon's twenty two

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million dollar program so this is a big

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deal and let me just bring

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first in the context of modern day so

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last year the world learned about the

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Pentagon's

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secret study of UFOs from the New York

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Times that was December 2017 they

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announced there was a 22 million dollar

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program 22 million dollars it was spent

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to investigate so-called flying saucers

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but the real story is much bigger there

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wasn't just one UFO study there were two

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the Pentagon's other larger

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investigation it delved into mysteries

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that were far more profound and far more

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disturbing than these alleged alien

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aircraft its focus was on a living

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laboratory and a paranormal hot spot

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known as skinwalker ranch so modern-day

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that's why I put this movie out now

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because it relates to everything that's

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going on in UFO news and people don't

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even know it yet so what is skinwalker

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ranch okay skinwalker ranch is formerly

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a 480 acre ranch it has now expanded its

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landmass rated by the new owner and

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basically it was used as a living

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laboratory hundreds of reports of

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phenomena if not thousands have occurred

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a skinwalker ranch that have made it one

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of the most famous paranormal hotspot in

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the world it is also the most

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scientifically studied paranormal for

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lack of a better word paranormal hotspot

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in history so what makes skinwalker

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ranch unique is it's got this kind of

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sexy history that you know Robert

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Bigelow who aerospace billionaire

436
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entrepreneur really incredible dude what

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he's done it's famous because he bought

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this land and studied it with a

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scientific group of his own device he

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put it all together and got these great

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phd-level scientists to come and study

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the phenomenon all the occurrences the

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phenomena that were occurring at this

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ranch but we now know that the Defense

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Intelligence Agency through the 22

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million dollars which was allocated for

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skinwalker ranch as the primary

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motivation for this study which people

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don't know yet but you're gonna see it

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in the film and

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the bonus material so basically there

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was a scientific study by our defense

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intelligence agency to determine if what

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was occurring at the ranch causes any

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need for a national security look at

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what's going on it was a threat to

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national security what could they glean

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and garner from the events and the

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phenomena so the United States military

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took seriously and take seriously what's

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going on at this special ranch in

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northeastern Utah which is by the way

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just in the middle of a hot spot it's a

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living laboratory because it to be used

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to study the phenomenon but it's not

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that the center of all the phenomenon

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III don't know phenomena I don't think I

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mean it could be but the Uintah Basin is

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just it's landscape is parked with

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stories over generations of everything

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from UFOs to creatures two dimensional

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portholes to fear-inducing orbs to

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cattle mutilation everything under the

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Sun it's a paranormal Disneyland if it's

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to be believed that this stuff is

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happening there and I gotta tell you

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everybody I've ever engaged who has

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spent time in that area it's real it's

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happening and that's something we got to

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deal with and like you mentioned like

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it's not just the ranch you personally

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found other areas in Utah where this was

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happening the skinwalker Ridge dark

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Canyon this one really stuck out to me

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in the film when you mind give us maybe

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a little history about what what the

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tribes there believe this dark Canyon to

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be and and then I want to sort of get

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into like how you personally were able

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to get on to the ranch we'll get there

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but yeah this dark Canyon this really

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stuck out to me right so I guess it's

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important to understand the skinwalker

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ranch is private land kind of like an

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island within a sovereign nation the the

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ute tribe has control of the nation

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Abraham Lincoln you know basically

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mandated the the settlement there and it

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was and has been a place of high

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activity you know before that and during

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you know and since then so there's a

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tribal lore that goes along with

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explaining you know what a skinwalker is

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and that's just a term that was used for

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the book

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by dr. colum Keller her and George Knapp

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which is hunt for the skinwalker because

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in the native lore skinwalker is a

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shaman a trickster something Goods form

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it's kind of a catch-all phrase for this

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type of phenomena so that's that's

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what's used dark Canyon geographically

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is an interesting place it's in the

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mountains where kind of streams come

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down and flow through all the way past

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skinwalker ranch and so it is understood

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culturally that it's kind of the the

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place where the where the phenomenon

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originates from it's it's the the home

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of the skinwalker as they say so take

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that for what you will let it be lore or

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actual physical truth I don't know but

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it is a sacred place and and the other

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thing I want to say is you can't first

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well you can't just go to skinwalker

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ranch it is the area 51 of the

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paranormal you need more security

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getting through to that land then back

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to imagine even if it's the one less

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people certainly have ever been allowed

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on that land you can't just go there so

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I feel very grateful that I've been you

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know through the work of my mentor

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George Knapp I've been able to be part

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of this journey and for the first time

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in history film and document on the

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ranch itself and bring that footage off

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for you and that's because the new owner

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wants openness wants people to see it

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obviously you can't let everybody you

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know come to the ranch and all this I

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mean there are real dangers to that

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actual dangers to that but you know he

544
00:23:25,060 --> 00:23:23,360
doesn't want the information out and so

545
00:23:28,029 --> 00:23:25,070
that's why I was able to do that the

546
00:23:30,460 --> 00:23:28,039
tribe also in history they have never

547
00:23:32,140 --> 00:23:30,470
allowed anybody to come fill film on

548
00:23:33,220 --> 00:23:32,150
tribal land and take that footage off I

549
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:33,230
mean everything you've seen with like

550
00:23:36,250 --> 00:23:34,850
Joe Rogan going there and everybody

551
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:36,260
who's ever gone there and film there

552
00:23:39,610 --> 00:23:37,970
were never on tribal land they were

553
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:39,620
never even near the ranch they never

554
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:41,330
made it past the gate yeah well

555
00:23:43,930 --> 00:23:42,650
definitely not past the gate but

556
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:43,940
actually that episode wasn't even near

557
00:23:50,169 --> 00:23:47,120
the ranch okay so yes so basically we

558
00:23:51,940 --> 00:23:50,179
actually got real authorization to film

559
00:23:53,409 --> 00:23:51,950
and take that footage off and we did

560
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:53,419
film in dark in in one of these

561
00:23:59,080 --> 00:23:55,970
epicenters of high activity and it was

562
00:24:01,720 --> 00:23:59,090
stunning yeah I remember I think it was

563
00:24:05,380 --> 00:24:01,730
the day you had gotten permission from

564
00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:05,390
the tribe and you sent me of text and a

565
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:07,190
photo that day and you're like dude I'm

566
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,450
on I'm

567
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:10,400
here and I I had no idea what you were

568
00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:12,050
talking about because at that point you

569
00:24:17,020 --> 00:24:14,510
were still very secretive about this

570
00:24:18,820 --> 00:24:17,030
project that you were doing but I was so

571
00:24:21,580 --> 00:24:18,830
honored to have received that that

572
00:24:24,940 --> 00:24:21,590
picture message oh my god what does he

573
00:24:30,670 --> 00:24:27,520
yeah but by necessity you know my team

574
00:24:33,340 --> 00:24:30,680
of people we had to be very cautious and

575
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:33,350
that's because trust really needed to be

576
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:35,690
earned and nurtured and man it really

577
00:24:38,770 --> 00:24:37,370
paid off you know as a journalist it

578
00:24:41,530 --> 00:24:38,780
really paid off but yeah it's been years

579
00:24:44,170 --> 00:24:41,540
engaging the property and the area and

580
00:24:45,550 --> 00:24:44,180
the witnesses and it's really coming

581
00:24:47,230 --> 00:24:45,560
together beautifully and I really hope I

582
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:47,240
can move the ball forward and get some

583
00:24:50,170 --> 00:24:48,650
of the concerns out from the people who

584
00:24:52,330 --> 00:24:50,180
have been witnesses and affected by the

585
00:24:54,670 --> 00:24:52,340
phenomenon absolutely I mean okay so

586
00:24:56,650 --> 00:24:54,680
let's let's sort of let's backtrack to

587
00:24:58,690 --> 00:24:56,660
when Knapp and Keller her first got

588
00:25:00,730 --> 00:24:58,700
involved with this now their book came

589
00:25:03,930 --> 00:25:00,740
out and this was during a time when

590
00:25:07,660 --> 00:25:03,940
Bigelow owned the ranch and this project

591
00:25:09,670 --> 00:25:07,670
under the acronym needs was created is

592
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:09,680
that right yeah National Institute of

593
00:25:13,810 --> 00:25:11,690
Discovery Science that was a you know

594
00:25:16,450 --> 00:25:13,820
scientific organization created by

595
00:25:18,490 --> 00:25:16,460
Robert Bigelow who most people will know

596
00:25:20,650 --> 00:25:18,500
because of his NASA contracts and his

597
00:25:22,330 --> 00:25:20,660
attachable space station called beam

598
00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:22,340
that he attached the international space

599
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,830
station so he is an interesting

600
00:25:29,170 --> 00:25:26,480
individual and yes he created needs and

601
00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:29,180
that's when George was because of his

602
00:25:32,830 --> 00:25:30,950
previous friendship with Robert Bigelow

603
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,840
you know he was allowed to be a fly on

604
00:25:36,460 --> 00:25:34,400
the wall and and he was actually allowed

605
00:25:38,260 --> 00:25:36,470
to document during the time of the

606
00:25:40,020 --> 00:25:38,270
active investigations talking with the

607
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,030
scientists as events were unfolding

608
00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:42,320
however he was never allowed to put the

609
00:25:45,550 --> 00:25:43,460
footage out he wanted to make a

610
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,560
documentary Robert Bigelow didn't want

611
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:47,600
basically eyes and heat on the property

612
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:49,090
he wanted to preserve the study

613
00:25:53,230 --> 00:25:51,410
eventually he let George Knapp and dr.

614
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:53,240
Colin Kelleher's lead scientist of that

615
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:55,130
investigation over those investigations

616
00:25:58,780 --> 00:25:56,450
I mean also the Defense Intelligence

617
00:26:00,730 --> 00:25:58,790
Agency investigations but he was allowed

618
00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:00,740
to write a book George Knapp and dr.

619
00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:02,270
Colin Kelleher and kind of tell the

620
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:04,220
world what's going on what was going on

621
00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:06,170
there and that's because the activity

622
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:08,750
started to diminish you know it's like

623
00:26:14,410 --> 00:26:11,840
it didn't like to be observed it started

624
00:26:17,980 --> 00:26:14,420
to diminish its back but yeah that was

625
00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:17,990
that was what happened that's mids

626
00:26:21,250 --> 00:26:19,550
National Institute for discovery science

627
00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:21,260
that was for Robert Bigelow that was one

628
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:21,590
of

629
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:24,320
two major scientific studies during that

630
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:27,289
era one private one government and now

631
00:26:32,980 --> 00:26:29,450
one another a third study is ensuing

632
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:32,990
right right so I got asked how did you

633
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:35,090
personally get involved with skin the

634
00:26:38,649 --> 00:26:37,130
skinwalker case you know you've worked

635
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:38,659
with Knapp in the past so I assumed that

636
00:26:42,909 --> 00:26:40,970
had something to do with it tell us how

637
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:42,919
you got involved with all this yeah I

638
00:26:47,860 --> 00:26:45,289
mean the only way into this story was

639
00:26:50,409 --> 00:26:47,870
through George Knapp I mean he was the

640
00:26:53,620 --> 00:26:50,419
one who's been following this story for

641
00:26:56,139 --> 00:26:53,630
over two decades almost three there's a

642
00:26:58,090 --> 00:26:56,149
lot of people that claim great knowledge

643
00:27:00,100 --> 00:26:58,100
about skinwalker ranch and they've you

644
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:00,110
know they've really looked into it well

645
00:27:04,299 --> 00:27:01,730
I mean it's just that's just not true

646
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:04,309
just pales in comparison George Knapp

647
00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:06,289
has been following this story and hasn't

648
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:09,830
let it go for 25 plus years you can't

649
00:27:15,610 --> 00:27:13,010
get that kind of experience that footage

650
00:27:18,010 --> 00:27:15,620
being exposed to internal documents to

651
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:18,020
briefings the whole reason the Defense

652
00:27:22,779 --> 00:27:19,850
Intelligence Agency and 22 million from

653
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:22,789
Harry Reid happened was because of

654
00:27:26,620 --> 00:27:24,529
George was because of his book was

655
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,630
because of skinwalker ranch that is the

656
00:27:30,610 --> 00:27:28,159
whole reason and people will learn about

657
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:30,620
that so so George really is the entrance

658
00:27:34,570 --> 00:27:32,690
point and the everything to the story

659
00:27:37,180 --> 00:27:34,580
and I luckily do a lot of work with

660
00:27:39,310 --> 00:27:37,190
George Knapp and man I pestered him I

661
00:27:41,049 --> 00:27:39,320
bothered him and I was like I want to

662
00:27:43,630 --> 00:27:41,059
see the footage you know it's it was

663
00:27:47,019 --> 00:27:43,640
sensitive it is sensitive but over time

664
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:47,029
I warm down he let me in and boom there

665
00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:49,730
was an opportunity the sale of the ranch

666
00:27:58,360 --> 00:27:55,460
in 2016 that moment really provided a

667
00:28:00,279 --> 00:27:58,370
window of opportunity where all of this

668
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:00,289
information could then be put together

669
00:28:05,649 --> 00:28:02,690
in the form of a film because the rules

670
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:05,659
had changed so it was kind of like you

671
00:28:11,470 --> 00:28:09,200
know durational over time wearing down

672
00:28:13,450 --> 00:28:11,480
George they show me the footage tell me

673
00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:13,460
the boxes let's organize this let's get

674
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:15,260
into this and then opportunity struck

675
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:16,850
and that's why you could see this film

676
00:28:22,090 --> 00:28:20,450
and I had to jam on it so you are given

677
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,100
permission to go to the ranch you bring

678
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:23,600
this team with you to start documenting

679
00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:26,510
how was it when you first arrived I

680
00:28:30,370 --> 00:28:28,190
can't even imagine finally getting there

681
00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:30,380
getting on to the land where all of

682
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:32,270
these things you've heard for so long

683
00:28:35,869 --> 00:28:34,169
we're being reported how

684
00:28:37,729 --> 00:28:35,879
you feel an experience when you first

685
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:37,739
got there I mean I remember hearing a

686
00:28:42,739 --> 00:28:40,200
story about you and the security there

687
00:28:44,629 --> 00:28:42,749
had a pretty intense feeling you know

688
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:44,639
the two of you at one point could you

689
00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:46,049
maybe sort of run us through what your

690
00:28:50,629 --> 00:28:47,820
initial feelings were when you got onto

691
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:50,639
the land sure I mean you know honestly

692
00:28:55,999 --> 00:28:52,409
I'm not one of these like touchy-feely

693
00:28:58,369 --> 00:28:56,009
guys I put on my skeptical hat you know

694
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:58,379
probably the bigger skeptic behind that

695
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:00,179
I've ever put on and you know I was

696
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:04,440
really really trying to look and see if

697
00:29:11,629 --> 00:29:07,980
I could poke holes in it I mean it was

698
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,639
and it remains this conundrum to me you

699
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:12,960
know I've got these really highly

700
00:29:17,539 --> 00:29:15,330
credible people that have confided in me

701
00:29:19,820 --> 00:29:17,549
with with no reason for the outside

702
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:19,830
world to hear their stories and and I

703
00:29:25,639 --> 00:29:23,129
just it's just very difficult to wrap my

704
00:29:26,629 --> 00:29:25,649
little brain around is that what is

705
00:29:30,619 --> 00:29:26,639
going on there

706
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,629
is as described so upon entering the

707
00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:31,919
property for the first time I mean there

708
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,070
is absolute excitement and some ominous

709
00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:37,679
feel but really a lot of skepticism and

710
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:40,769
just trying to see if hey if any of this

711
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:43,980
is true maybe I'll be lucky enough to to

712
00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:46,200
observe it and that's that you know you

713
00:29:50,180 --> 00:29:47,879
you can't just go to the perimeter of

714
00:29:52,489 --> 00:29:50,190
skinwalker ranch and dip your toe you

715
00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:52,499
know across the fence and you know drive

716
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:54,179
home and say oh I've had this great

717
00:29:58,759 --> 00:29:56,129
paranormal expert just not how it

718
00:30:00,909 --> 00:29:58,769
happens the knids team you know what was

719
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:00,919
there for seven years

720
00:30:07,849 --> 00:30:04,529
constant 24-hour surveillance they had

721
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:07,859
100 documented incidents so think about

722
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,279
that seven years one hundred incidents I

723
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:12,960
mean you got to go spend more than a

724
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:15,419
night a day even on the ranches or

725
00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:17,850
surrounding the ranch so you know I knew

726
00:30:21,859 --> 00:30:19,619
those were the odds that I knew that's

727
00:30:24,739 --> 00:30:21,869
what was going on but the place does

728
00:30:27,229 --> 00:30:24,749
have a way of conveying its its high

729
00:30:28,879 --> 00:30:27,239
strangeness to you and there's not a

730
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:28,889
single person that that lives in that

731
00:30:34,849 --> 00:30:31,529
area without a personal story or more

732
00:30:38,299 --> 00:30:34,859
right and that's really really where the

733
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:38,309
film hit me these powerful moments were

734
00:30:41,899 --> 00:30:40,200
you actually interviewed people who'd

735
00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:41,909
experienced things witnesses and you

736
00:30:46,580 --> 00:30:43,470
personally interviewed a mother and a

737
00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:46,590
son who what they believed was

738
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:48,120
skinwalker activity

739
00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:49,980
and dude this was such a vulnerable

740
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,720
moment in the film that I had to stop

741
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:53,520
watching at one point and kind of

742
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,100
recalibrate my feelings because again

743
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:59,039
just like you I I'm skeptical about the

744
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:01,320
whole skinwalker mystery and what it

745
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:03,090
really conveyed or how it really

746
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,250
affected people and now I'm seeing

747
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,159
through these witnesses that it's scary

748
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:10,080
it's life-threatening and that really

749
00:31:14,539 --> 00:31:12,210
hit me and this isn't you know some just

750
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:14,549
cool paranormal or you falah djegal

751
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:17,610
story this is dangerous and you you

752
00:31:21,529 --> 00:31:19,770
stress that a lot in the film so maybe

753
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,539
could you describe to us this moment

754
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,039
when you interviewed the mother in the

755
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:25,440
son and how that translated to you about

756
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:28,049
what was going on there yeah so that was

757
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:29,730
Janice and Gary and their local

758
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:31,770
residents they border skinwalker

759
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:33,539
property for over 30 years and again

760
00:31:37,820 --> 00:31:35,490
remember it's a living laboratory used

761
00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:37,830
to study the area skinwalker ranch but

762
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:39,950
it is not in my opinion the central

763
00:31:45,620 --> 00:31:42,510
focus of the phenomenon I'm not sure

764
00:31:48,019 --> 00:31:45,630
where is so this was a very powerful

765
00:31:50,299 --> 00:31:48,029
moment I included in the movie because

766
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,309
it was very powerful to me I did not

767
00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:52,320
anticipate what was going to happen I

768
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:55,799
had been talking with Janice for months

769
00:32:00,649 --> 00:31:58,380
and she and we had built a great

770
00:32:03,620 --> 00:32:00,659
friendship and she was always very

771
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:03,630
jovial and upbeat seem to have a very

772
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,100
unique relationship to the high

773
00:32:09,889 --> 00:32:07,200
strangeness that occurs in her area and

774
00:32:12,860 --> 00:32:09,899
in the in everybody's lives some of the

775
00:32:14,180 --> 00:32:12,870
events were very frightening if I had

776
00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:14,190
experienced it but she always seemed to

777
00:32:18,769 --> 00:32:16,620
have this strong opinion about it she

778
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:18,779
didn't seem scared by it she has had

779
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:21,480
many dramatic encounters where there's

780
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,340
physical evidence I mean where her

781
00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:25,919
animals have been killed murdered you

782
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:28,380
know and she dealt with all this really

783
00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:30,990
well and I never saw a crack in her

784
00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:33,750
armor and then she comes to meet me for

785
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:36,870
her first on-camera interview first time

786
00:32:40,940 --> 00:32:38,490
we're actually physically meeting and

787
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:40,950
again we had become great friends for

788
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:43,890
maybe more than ten months over the

789
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:45,899
phone talking every weekend for maybe an

790
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:50,250
hour and I pushed record and the moment

791
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:52,380
I hit record on the camera you know she

792
00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:55,049
shatters into a thousand pieces I mean

793
00:33:01,039 --> 00:32:58,860
she just breaks down and it shocked me

794
00:33:01,610 --> 00:33:01,049
it really shocked me and I think in

795
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:01,620
retrospect

796
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,050
fact I realized that she had been

797
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:06,480
carrying this burden that she really

798
00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:08,130
couldn't talk to people about not even

799
00:33:11,420 --> 00:33:10,140
in the local community people don't want

800
00:33:14,030 --> 00:33:11,430
to talk about it because they think it

801
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:14,040
invokes more activity so she was really

802
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:16,170
isolated and I think it really was

803
00:33:21,730 --> 00:33:18,840
painful and she has a lot of fear about

804
00:33:24,020 --> 00:33:21,740
what physical harm has been caused

805
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:24,030
possibly by the phenomenon to her

806
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:26,010
immediate family and to her friends and

807
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:27,240
neighbors people have lost their lives

808
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:29,130
due to what appear to be radiation

809
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:33,240
effects by direct exposure to these a

810
00:33:39,530 --> 00:33:36,809
AVS or you ApS or UFOs so that's the

811
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:39,540
moment you see in the movie is this real

812
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:44,970
honest humanizing moment where you see

813
00:33:51,530 --> 00:33:48,530
that this is not just a kind of fun

814
00:33:54,410 --> 00:33:51,540
scary story that there's real-world

815
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:54,420
implications to what's going on and

816
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:56,370
there's real questions that people have

817
00:34:02,120 --> 00:33:59,760
is this the government or is this truly

818
00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:02,130
paranormal and again it was a turning

819
00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:04,230
point in the film for me as I know it

820
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:06,030
will be for other people and it really

821
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:07,770
doesn't hit you until you actually see

822
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,260
that that moment and for me I'm all

823
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:12,240
about when this testimony and the people

824
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:14,700
experiencing this so it really hit home

825
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:17,220
with me but you know moving toward back

826
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:19,770
towards maybe these scientists involved

827
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:21,570
with this Jeremy I mean yes it's

828
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:23,639
dangerous but they did try to play games

829
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,700
with these phenomena you know try to try

830
00:34:32,659 --> 00:34:29,520
to repeat things and that clearly is not

831
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:32,669
what happens on this ranch or in the

832
00:34:36,290 --> 00:34:34,050
surrounding areas there's no

833
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,300
repeatability of things you know there's

834
00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:38,159
no way to properly study it

835
00:34:43,220 --> 00:34:40,710
scientifically and things were happening

836
00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:43,230
all over they set up cameras cameras go

837
00:34:48,740 --> 00:34:45,659
down they set up tripwire tripwire goes

838
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:48,750
haywire so it's just amazing to me so

839
00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:50,370
maybe we could sort of run through some

840
00:34:54,379 --> 00:34:52,980
of what the scientists experienced while

841
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,389
they were there if there's any that

842
00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:56,639
really stand out to you oh there are

843
00:35:01,550 --> 00:34:59,130
yeah I mean as George Knapp has you know

844
00:35:02,030 --> 00:35:01,560
kind of often said science got its ass

845
00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:02,040
kicked

846
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:05,070
it really did you have some of the top

847
00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:08,040
scientists and from molecular biologists

848
00:35:12,980 --> 00:35:10,500
to physicists tackling this problem with

849
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:12,990
almost unlimited resources for a

850
00:35:17,539 --> 00:35:14,910
durational period

851
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:17,549
and at the end of the day they kind of

852
00:35:22,579 --> 00:35:20,609
came out of it with more questions than

853
00:35:26,380 --> 00:35:22,589
answers you know the fly in the ointment

854
00:35:29,299 --> 00:35:26,390
as it said by dr. Colin Kelleher is that

855
00:35:32,029 --> 00:35:29,309
extraterrestrials that hypothesis it

856
00:35:34,579 --> 00:35:32,039
doesn't fit it doesn't work I mean yes

857
00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:34,589
there are a hard physical craft there

858
00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:36,990
appear to be orange dimensional

859
00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:39,630
portholes with with craft coming through

860
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:43,500
with beings with actual physical beings

861
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:45,900
coming through but there seems to be a

862
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,200
lot more going on that can't be

863
00:35:54,740 --> 00:35:50,880
described by the extra-terrestrial

864
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:54,750
hypothesis so dr. John Alexander he

865
00:36:01,160 --> 00:35:57,930
famously said it appears that the

866
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:01,170
phenomenon is a precognitive sentient

867
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:03,780
intelligence you know meaning it's a

868
00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:05,339
sentient intelligence but it has some

869
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:07,470
pre cognitive ability so let me explain

870
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:09,240
that with a specific example of

871
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:10,650
something that happened the scientists

872
00:36:15,289 --> 00:36:12,150
had to tackle what do you do with this

873
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:15,299
so one of the you know occurrences that

874
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:17,730
can be quantified obviously are these

875
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:20,190
cattle mutilations you you have these

876
00:36:26,660 --> 00:36:23,910
dead animals that are eviscerated or

877
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:26,670
beyond eviscerated and you have you know

878
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:28,859
physical you can tell that that that

879
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:31,410
these animals were mutilated with

880
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:34,950
metallic tools two different kinds so

881
00:36:38,690 --> 00:36:36,599
there's that kind of thing that

882
00:36:41,089 --> 00:36:38,700
scientists can study and they can look

883
00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:41,099
at and they can look at the biology and

884
00:36:45,650 --> 00:36:43,740
understand you know from the mutilations

885
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:45,660
some of what's going on but then you

886
00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:48,359
have really high highly strange events

887
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:50,220
that science can't tackle as easily and

888
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:54,089
this is an example so we call the you

889
00:36:58,220 --> 00:36:56,130
know the ranchers the the Gorman's out

890
00:36:59,720 --> 00:36:58,230
of respect not using their actual name

891
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:59,730
which is public but I'm just not gonna

892
00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:00,240
say it

893
00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:04,619
so Tom Gorman is out and he's you know

894
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:07,079
looking at his his cattle and he

895
00:37:10,279 --> 00:37:08,520
mentions to his wife you know we got

896
00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:10,289
these four bulls and they're kind of

897
00:37:14,779 --> 00:37:13,260
like our top prize Bulls and and you

898
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:14,789
know man I really hope that whatever

899
00:37:20,510 --> 00:37:17,569
this is is not gonna mess with those

900
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,520
next thing they're about to go out into

901
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:22,740
town they're driving by the pen and and

902
00:37:27,380 --> 00:37:24,210
I've been in the pen I mean there is

903
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:27,390
nowhere to go you can see all around you

904
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:28,210
there's nowhere to go

905
00:37:33,780 --> 00:37:31,270
all of a sudden he goes by the pen the

906
00:37:36,270 --> 00:37:33,790
bulls are not there it's an impossible

907
00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:36,280
scenario that there's no way out unless

908
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:38,500
you let these locks off and open this

909
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:40,930
big gate where did the Bulls go so

910
00:37:44,970 --> 00:37:42,910
instinctively he looks over and there's

911
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:44,980
this this trailer that butts up against

912
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:46,930
the pen there and he kind of looks

913
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:49,150
through looks into a little slit in the

914
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:52,450
door sure enough these four massive

915
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,599
thousand-pound bulls are jammed into

916
00:38:00,960 --> 00:37:57,040
this tiny little trailer which is

917
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,970
multiple steps up into not only that but

918
00:38:05,579 --> 00:38:03,520
the door is locked there is no entrance

919
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:05,589
that these Bulls could have gotten into

920
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:07,930
the pen so it's an impossibility to jam

921
00:38:12,030 --> 00:38:10,510
these huge powerful animals into this

922
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:12,040
tiny crammed little space you know

923
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:13,210
anybody that's a rancher they'll tell

924
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:14,320
you there's no getting the Bulls in

925
00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:17,050
there and they were like catatonic so he

926
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:19,060
yells to his wife hey I found him in as

927
00:38:24,329 --> 00:38:22,330
he says that they go berserk absolutely

928
00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:24,339
broke the catatonic state go berserk and

929
00:38:27,930 --> 00:38:26,380
I pound and smash the inside of this

930
00:38:31,530 --> 00:38:27,940
trailer breaking out a side of the wall

931
00:38:34,650 --> 00:38:31,540
and escape out so the knids team is

932
00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:34,660
looking at this this event and they're

933
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:37,000
like what is the mechanism with which

934
00:38:43,950 --> 00:38:40,210
somehow these Bulls were transported

935
00:38:46,589 --> 00:38:43,960
into this tiny little pet or this tiny

936
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,599
little trailer when there's cobwebs on

937
00:38:51,150 --> 00:38:48,160
the inside of this door they've verified

938
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:51,160
that door was not open so how did the

939
00:38:55,140 --> 00:38:53,290
Bulls get in there how do you know how

940
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:55,150
did this precognitive sentient

941
00:39:00,000 --> 00:38:57,040
intelligence seemingly playing tricks on

942
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:00,010
him you know why why did it do this how

943
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:02,890
did it do this and then just as a little

944
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:05,650
cherry on top of the on the paranormal

945
00:39:11,310 --> 00:39:09,010
sudden air all of the metal Corral was

946
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:11,320
highly highly magnetized for about two

947
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,650
hours after this event so that's a yes

948
00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:16,480
so that's a brainteaser is is that a

949
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:18,670
part of the mechanism of how these Bulls

950
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,369
were transported into this you know

951
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:24,400
holding it's it's it's something that

952
00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:26,140
science couldn't tackle they just

953
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:28,060
couldn't tackle this and kind of like

954
00:39:31,859 --> 00:39:29,530
the farewell we don't mention in the

955
00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:31,869
film but the farewell kind of fu to the

956
00:39:37,050 --> 00:39:33,820
scientist was on one of their last days

957
00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:37,060
the morning of that the the rancher

958
00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:41,390
finds an ice circle on this thin mmm

959
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,390
meter ice that is sitting on top of this

960
00:39:49,390 --> 00:39:46,640
flowing with it's it's a little bit

961
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:49,400
flowing little creek and it was so thin

962
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:52,100
that the the the heat ended up melting

963
00:39:56,740 --> 00:39:54,110
it you know by you know eight or nine in

964
00:39:59,170 --> 00:39:56,750
the morning it could not have been drawn

965
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,180
with by bearing any weight by having an

966
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:01,280
animal on there a human on there I mean

967
00:40:05,590 --> 00:40:03,650
it is a real physical thing that

968
00:40:08,050 --> 00:40:05,600
happened but again it's what is it what

969
00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:08,060
what is this mean it was carved with

970
00:40:11,740 --> 00:40:10,070
something they took analysis and samples

971
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:11,750
and but that they couldn't figure it out

972
00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:14,090
so these were kind of almost benign

973
00:40:17,950 --> 00:40:15,950
things but they were some of the

974
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:17,960
stranger things yeah but there's much

975
00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:21,290
stranger I mean animals appearing in in

976
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:23,900
trees with huge glowing eyes where the

977
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:26,210
cattle are screaming going crazy dogs

978
00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:28,250
being obliterated into you know

979
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:30,200
basically biological goo

980
00:40:36,820 --> 00:40:33,200
you know blue orbs inducing a fear that

981
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:36,830
is so external and so irrational that it

982
00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:39,770
was like externally produced fear you

983
00:40:41,620 --> 00:40:41,240
know these blue orbs they call Blue

984
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:41,630
Meanies

985
00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:43,490
you know that they tend to freak out the

986
00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:45,620
cattle freak out the dogs and and freak

987
00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:47,270
out humans you know there without going

988
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:48,740
too far it's something that George has

989
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,450
mentioned so I I can't mention it to a

990
00:40:54,610 --> 00:40:52,880
degree but during this Defense

991
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,620
Intelligence Agency study there there

992
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,960
were some badass military individuals

993
00:41:01,210 --> 00:40:58,880
who were put on the property with night

994
00:41:03,340 --> 00:41:01,220
vision to scout out and try to determine

995
00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:03,350
national security threats of the

996
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:05,510
phenomenon and they encountered

997
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:07,760
something they encountered something

998
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:10,880
they induced so much fear that I don't

999
00:41:15,370 --> 00:41:13,130
think their lives have ever been the

1000
00:41:16,510 --> 00:41:15,380
same again you know that the term by the

1001
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:16,520
Defense Intelligence Agency was

1002
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:19,280
hitchhiker and hitchhike is the term of

1003
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:21,290
something following you home the

1004
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:23,690
phenomenon seems to act and I'm not just

1005
00:41:27,970 --> 00:41:25,730
saying this I've seen the effects of

1006
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:27,980
this the phenomenon seems to act as a

1007
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:30,890
virus it seems to attach and it might

1008
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:33,530
not infect you but it could infect your

1009
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:35,570
loved ones and more than often that's

1010
00:41:42,670 --> 00:41:40,400
what happens and events occur off the

1011
00:41:44,410 --> 00:41:42,680
ranch if you've been there and

1012
00:41:46,270 --> 00:41:44,420
oftentimes it's a secondary thing it's

1013
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:46,280
your loved ones that are affected so

1014
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:49,490
that that's kind of strange and that's

1015
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:51,350
been warned to me multiple occasions

1016
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:54,410
that that can occur that's scary to

1017
00:41:56,530 --> 00:41:55,130
think man

1018
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:56,540
because I know like you said you

1019
00:42:00,310 --> 00:41:58,850
personally didn't really experience much

1020
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:00,320
there but that doesn't mean you're not

1021
00:42:05,350 --> 00:42:02,810
going to in the future especially if

1022
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:05,360
this thing has whatever the phenomena is

1023
00:42:09,220 --> 00:42:07,610
that it's able to tap into even your

1024
00:42:11,350 --> 00:42:09,230
consciousness I know you tackle this

1025
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:11,360
briefly in the film as well and really

1026
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,850
leave a lasting impact on you even if

1027
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:15,440
you didn't experience it right then and

1028
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:17,930
there on the ranch that's very yeah I

1029
00:42:22,270 --> 00:42:20,030
mean I'm not I'm not easily scared or

1030
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:22,280
dissuaded and I love ghost stories but

1031
00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:24,050
I'm really not afraid of them you know I

1032
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:26,630
don't have much fear maybe it's because

1033
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:28,490
I haven't experienced anything

1034
00:42:32,380 --> 00:42:30,650
personally other people have it I have

1035
00:42:35,650 --> 00:42:32,390
seen the effects on them psychologically

1036
00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:35,660
and obviously animals have been affected

1037
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:37,100
you know mutilated they have been killed

1038
00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:38,570
there have been murdered I mean there's

1039
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:41,300
that aspect to it the the phenomenon can

1040
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:43,970
be quite violent however because I

1041
00:42:47,710 --> 00:42:45,950
haven't experienced something myself you

1042
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:47,720
know honestly I don't have any fear

1043
00:42:53,590 --> 00:42:49,850
about it I seem impervious to the evil

1044
00:42:55,870 --> 00:42:53,600
that it could be I do have a healthy

1045
00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:55,880
respect for the people and the events

1046
00:43:00,820 --> 00:42:58,850
that have been described and the the the

1047
00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:00,830
impact of those events that I have seen

1048
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:03,590
but quite honestly I feel really good

1049
00:43:08,650 --> 00:43:06,410
there you know I get a positive feeling

1050
00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:08,660
when I'm there right and I mean one of

1051
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:10,550
the other individuals that was there

1052
00:43:14,980 --> 00:43:12,950
with you had some of his own feelings

1053
00:43:16,930 --> 00:43:14,990
about that and this will really you know

1054
00:43:19,690 --> 00:43:16,940
connect more with our British listeners

1055
00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:19,700
so I got asked man how did this happen

1056
00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:22,550
how did you get Robbie Williams this

1057
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:25,700
former boy band member turned indie

1058
00:43:29,230 --> 00:43:28,130
musician you know solo musician how did

1059
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:29,240
you get him involved with your

1060
00:43:32,650 --> 00:43:30,110
investigation

1061
00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:32,660
yeah I mean you know Robbie is a really

1062
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:35,270
interesting person and has become a good

1063
00:43:39,730 --> 00:43:37,910
friend and how I met Robbie was through

1064
00:43:41,710 --> 00:43:39,740
George Knapp George Knapp had been good

1065
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:41,720
friends with him and George Knapp met

1066
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,970
him through the head of you know the

1067
00:43:48,490 --> 00:43:46,160
founder of above top secret calm isn't

1068
00:43:51,130 --> 00:43:48,500
you know mark mark Alyn so that's kind

1069
00:43:52,030 --> 00:43:51,140
of how Robbie came into my orbit however

1070
00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:52,040
I didn't know

1071
00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:54,200
Robbie's you know international fame I I

1072
00:43:57,790 --> 00:43:55,670
didn't know that he's one of the top

1073
00:44:00,310 --> 00:43:57,800
selling music artists on the planet and

1074
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:00,320
I mean who did he just open for Taylor

1075
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:02,330
Swift Ansari he did a guest appearance

1076
00:44:08,590 --> 00:44:04,130
for Taylor Swift them the guys like a

1077
00:44:10,750 --> 00:44:08,600
major major famous musician

1078
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:10,760
walk in Europe anywhere without getting

1079
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:12,710
mobbed I mean it's apparently that's the

1080
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:14,330
story but I didn't know anything about

1081
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:15,950
that I just met Robbie and thought he

1082
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:18,410
was an awesome dude and he has genuine

1083
00:44:23,950 --> 00:44:22,250
interest in engaging this topic and

1084
00:44:26,650 --> 00:44:23,960
learning more about I mean genuine

1085
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:26,660
interest and it was a very natural thing

1086
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:28,130
because of his friendship with Mark

1087
00:44:31,150 --> 00:44:29,450
Allen and his friendship with George

1088
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:31,160
Knapp and then his you know our

1089
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:32,690
friendship it was a very natural thing

1090
00:44:35,710 --> 00:44:34,250
to include Robbie on this trip I mean

1091
00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:35,720
he's not the focus of the movie as you

1092
00:44:39,580 --> 00:44:38,060
see he's just kind of there and you get

1093
00:44:42,070 --> 00:44:39,590
to hear a little bit of what he has to

1094
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:42,080
say but it you know he's just somebody

1095
00:44:45,460 --> 00:44:43,730
who was along with us who I really

1096
00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:45,470
respect and has genuine interest and

1097
00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:48,550
also has some pretty extraordinary

1098
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:51,350
personal experiences that he would love

1099
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,170
to get answers for so so that's kind of

1100
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:56,960
Robbie's you know role in the movie is

1101
00:45:02,560 --> 00:44:58,490
you know like me

1102
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:02,570
he's just an explorer he's interested to

1103
00:45:07,930 --> 00:45:05,570
see and to learn about the phenomenon

1104
00:45:09,820 --> 00:45:07,940
and that's Robbie's Robbie's interest I

1105
00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:09,830
mean he's got a big story man I mean a

1106
00:45:14,530 --> 00:45:12,590
big story you know his song Arizona was

1107
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,540
influenced you know by the the

1108
00:45:17,890 --> 00:45:16,400
paranormal and he has seen and and

1109
00:45:19,810 --> 00:45:17,900
witnesses around him have seen this

1110
00:45:21,220 --> 00:45:19,820
incredible activity I mean he's been a

1111
00:45:23,650 --> 00:45:21,230
UFO has been so close to me could have

1112
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:23,660
hit it with a tennis ball these are all

1113
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:27,200
sober experiences he also has an example

1114
00:45:30,910 --> 00:45:29,330
there's a 20-minute bonus material piece

1115
00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:30,920
where he explains when he was writing

1116
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:32,540
the song Arizona which is about alien

1117
00:45:37,450 --> 00:45:35,450
abduction there was an object a glowing

1118
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,460
or that was out over the balcony that

1119
00:45:42,310 --> 00:45:40,160
would turn on any time the song was

1120
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:42,320
played and he's like I'm not gonna get

1121
00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:44,510
fooled by you Venus he's keeping it to

1122
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:45,950
himself he's he's not telling his

1123
00:45:50,590 --> 00:45:48,770
friends and then his friends noticed and

1124
00:45:52,270 --> 00:45:50,600
he says watch this it turns on the song

1125
00:45:55,540 --> 00:45:52,280
and you know look there is a massive

1126
00:45:58,210 --> 00:45:55,550
connection between art and music and

1127
00:46:00,940 --> 00:45:58,220
creativity and the appearance of what we

1128
00:46:04,750 --> 00:46:00,950
call UFOs the the display of what we

1129
00:46:06,340 --> 00:46:04,760
call UFOs absolutely I've been a

1130
00:46:09,370 --> 00:46:06,350
proponent of that for a very long time

1131
00:46:11,740 --> 00:46:09,380
being an artist myself and in some ways

1132
00:46:14,050 --> 00:46:11,750
I do think yes there is definitely a

1133
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,060
connection and I was really interested

1134
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:16,160
to hear how much it inspired Robbie's

1135
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:18,170
music moving forward and like you said

1136
00:46:22,540 --> 00:46:20,210
in the bonus material he really goes in

1137
00:46:24,580 --> 00:46:22,550
depth about his own experiences

1138
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:24,590
so watching all those bonus materials is

1139
00:46:29,980 --> 00:46:27,650
another plus two to viewing your film is

1140
00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:29,990
you get these these more in-depth looks

1141
00:46:35,110 --> 00:46:31,580
at some of the people involved with all

1142
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:35,120
of this and we'll definitely touch on

1143
00:46:41,710 --> 00:46:38,210
that I want to I want to ask you about

1144
00:46:44,350 --> 00:46:41,720
moving forward with the ranch Jeremy now

1145
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:44,360
you did mention there is a new owner and

1146
00:46:49,570 --> 00:46:47,930
that that is what really opened the

1147
00:46:53,110 --> 00:46:49,580
floodgates for you to finally be able to

1148
00:46:56,170 --> 00:46:53,120
do this film so under new ownership you

1149
00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:56,180
also said that it's back and I'd really

1150
00:47:01,390 --> 00:46:57,710
like to touch on that activity on the

1151
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:01,400
ranch has increased so could you tell us

1152
00:47:06,430 --> 00:47:03,650
a little about I know you can't reveal

1153
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:06,440
the the you know who the new owner is

1154
00:47:11,470 --> 00:47:10,430
but sort of his thoughts on maybe why he

1155
00:47:13,780 --> 00:47:11,480
purchased the ranch

1156
00:47:16,090 --> 00:47:13,790
first and foremost and what might still

1157
00:47:18,310 --> 00:47:16,100
be going on there sure and you know

1158
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:18,320
that's why I really included an hour and

1159
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:20,930
a half another full movie of you know

1160
00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:23,210
bonus material was because this story is

1161
00:47:27,730 --> 00:47:25,910
so big you know you need more time and

1162
00:47:29,620 --> 00:47:27,740
one of those bonus material pieces is a

1163
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:29,630
10 minute in-depth interview with the

1164
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:31,910
new owner so that's why I you know if

1165
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:34,640
you go to iTunes you can get or Vimeo

1166
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:36,530
you can get that full bonus material

1167
00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:38,570
package and it's almost as it is as

1168
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:40,460
important as as the full movie it

1169
00:47:44,290 --> 00:47:42,410
actually goes much deeper the bonus

1170
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:44,300
material so I highly recommend that you

1171
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:46,670
will see an interview with the new owner

1172
00:47:52,330 --> 00:47:49,760
and I just also want to say the first

1173
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:52,340
thing I ask him is why are you keeping

1174
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,410
your identity secret he corrected me and

1175
00:48:01,210 --> 00:47:57,040
if you watch the movie and he says I'm

1176
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:01,220
keeping my identity confidential for and

1177
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:03,140
he listed the reasons and there are

1178
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:04,970
really good reasons I mean he has a

1179
00:48:10,330 --> 00:48:07,310
large business empire and it would be

1180
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:10,340
distracting to both fields if his

1181
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:12,410
identity was out so I really respect

1182
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:14,330
that I will never you know say his name

1183
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:17,650
even if other people do but I believe

1184
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:19,930
knowing him now for quite some time

1185
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:23,990
his interest is the same as your or my

1186
00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:26,090
interest he just has great resource to

1187
00:48:31,630 --> 00:48:28,190
dedicate to this he purchased the ranch

1188
00:48:35,110 --> 00:48:31,640
from Robert Bigelow to reinvigorate and

1189
00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:35,120
the study and to come at it from a

1190
00:48:39,609 --> 00:48:36,230
unique angle

1191
00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:39,619
and to try to get answers and share

1192
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:41,960
those answers with the public which is

1193
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:44,450
so interesting to me you know that's his

1194
00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:47,510
goal he wants to get closer to the truth

1195
00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:49,790
and share it with you so I think this is

1196
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,790
his first step is allowing me to to put

1197
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:54,800
this out him he asked nothing of me he's

1198
00:48:58,510 --> 00:48:56,330
at what a great guy I mean he just

1199
00:49:00,609 --> 00:48:58,520
wanted to honor all the work maybe

1200
00:49:02,410 --> 00:49:00,619
George has done over the years and allow

1201
00:49:04,780 --> 00:49:02,420
me to put this out and bring the public

1202
00:49:07,060 --> 00:49:04,790
closer to understanding it so that's

1203
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:07,070
what I think his motivation is and I

1204
00:49:12,940 --> 00:49:10,160
would say that it is pretty fascinating

1205
00:49:15,250 --> 00:49:12,950
the amount of activity that has been

1206
00:49:18,730 --> 00:49:15,260
reported as of recent privately not

1207
00:49:20,830 --> 00:49:18,740
publicly privately at the ranch and the

1208
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:20,840
methods in which they're using to

1209
00:49:25,390 --> 00:49:22,970
capture data on the phenomenon but

1210
00:49:28,750 --> 00:49:25,400
historically this is what happens when

1211
00:49:32,290 --> 00:49:28,760
there is a new person that comes to the

1212
00:49:34,359 --> 00:49:32,300
branch that can often invoke this high

1213
00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:34,369
strangeness so it's not surprising to me

1214
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:36,950
that things really picked up when there

1215
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,810
was a change of ownership and I think

1216
00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:40,640
what's also important and you do ask

1217
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:44,030
this of him in the film is is the

1218
00:49:47,859 --> 00:49:45,890
government still involved with

1219
00:49:49,630 --> 00:49:47,869
investigating this thing you know he's

1220
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,640
sort of coy when he answers and we won't

1221
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,160
give away too much here but the fact

1222
00:49:56,890 --> 00:49:54,800
that this could possibly still be going

1223
00:49:59,170 --> 00:49:56,900
on under the new ownership like you

1224
00:50:02,320 --> 00:49:59,180
mentioned there is still a program

1225
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:02,330
studying skinwalker ranch this break off

1226
00:50:08,170 --> 00:50:05,450
or you know subset of a tip as it were

1227
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:08,180
which I find fascinating as well well

1228
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,810
Wow

1229
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,640
you know so let's let's get specific

1230
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:13,040
here I'm shocked I put that in I must

1231
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:14,450
have put that in bonus material Wow I

1232
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:15,290
don't know if I should have done that

1233
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:18,770
but so but I will touch on it then so

1234
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:21,710
you know that the the 22 million and it

1235
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,050
was never a tip you know a tip was a

1236
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:26,720
reactionary program advanced aerospace

1237
00:50:30,849 --> 00:50:28,400
threat identification program a

1238
00:50:33,070 --> 00:50:30,859
reactionary program to study military

1239
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:33,080
encounters military sightings a tip had

1240
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:34,970
never had anything to do with the ranch

1241
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,450
all SAP Advanced aerospace weapons

1242
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:41,359
system application program that was

1243
00:50:47,410 --> 00:50:44,450
really the house for the 22 million that

1244
00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:47,420
paid out to bass but bass was really the

1245
00:50:52,090 --> 00:50:49,790
contract the contractual group that

1246
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:52,100
got the contract to study the ranch so

1247
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:54,530
that and they look they generated you

1248
00:51:00,820 --> 00:50:56,450
know they're not public at this time but

1249
00:51:03,460 --> 00:51:00,830
I think you know 25 you know scientific

1250
00:51:05,380 --> 00:51:03,470
reports the first ten months generated

1251
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:05,390
four hundred and ninety pages one report

1252
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:08,450
I mean it's pretty amazing bass had

1253
00:51:13,420 --> 00:51:10,970
forty or fifty people a rapid response

1254
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,430
team you know for the ranch and other

1255
00:51:17,890 --> 00:51:15,920
things so bass was proactive they

1256
00:51:20,290 --> 00:51:17,900
studied everything from the biological

1257
00:51:23,770 --> 00:51:20,300
effects associated with prolonged UAP

1258
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:23,780
exposure or UFO exposure they studied

1259
00:51:27,970 --> 00:51:25,910
the optical nature of wormholes as seen

1260
00:51:29,380 --> 00:51:27,980
on skinwalker ranch I mean George Knapp

1261
00:51:31,150 --> 00:51:29,390
and I have really released a lot of

1262
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:31,160
information about that which nobody else

1263
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:34,010
has we we have started put that out you

1264
00:51:38,260 --> 00:51:35,690
know through sources so so you will see

1265
00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:38,270
more of that but just to be clear that's

1266
00:51:43,090 --> 00:51:40,790
you know it wasn't a temp that was

1267
00:51:45,010 --> 00:51:43,100
military that was reactive it was bass

1268
00:51:46,690 --> 00:51:45,020
under all SAP and and that's what the

1269
00:51:48,970 --> 00:51:46,700
movie really talks about it really

1270
00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:48,980
reveals that it details it for you now

1271
00:51:53,590 --> 00:51:51,950
is there current government involvement

1272
00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:53,600
at the ranch I don't think I answered

1273
00:51:58,750 --> 00:51:55,790
that specifically but let's just say

1274
00:52:00,280 --> 00:51:58,760
it's a lie when they said when the New

1275
00:52:02,590 --> 00:52:00,290
York Times and when they even when the

1276
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:02,600
the Pentagon spokespeople said that in

1277
00:52:09,220 --> 00:52:06,410
2012 a tip was defunct it stopped that's

1278
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:09,230
a lot that's not true and that's been

1279
00:52:13,210 --> 00:52:10,910
proven time and time again and will

1280
00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:13,220
continue to be proven so I would be very

1281
00:52:18,730 --> 00:52:15,350
happy to know that there still is

1282
00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:18,740
interest from not only the individual

1283
00:52:25,090 --> 00:52:21,790
running and owning the ranch but maybe

1284
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:25,100
maybe people in government position that

1285
00:52:28,540 --> 00:52:26,930
could really help very interesting well

1286
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:28,550
I'm gonna sort of put you on the spot

1287
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:31,520
here so let's say let's say that the new

1288
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:34,250
owner invited you personally back to the

1289
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:34,640
ranch

1290
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,770
you know if given that opportunity

1291
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:38,720
knowing the activity has increased like

1292
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:41,510
he he said you know but also knowing

1293
00:52:44,980 --> 00:52:43,130
that possibly nothing would happen if

1294
00:52:46,750 --> 00:52:44,990
you went back would you would you go

1295
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:46,760
back onto the ranch if if given that

1296
00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:49,970
chance oh yeah I actually pretty much

1297
00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:52,390
assumed that I'm gonna have continued

1298
00:52:56,770 --> 00:52:54,230
correspondence with the ranch I mean

1299
00:52:58,450 --> 00:52:56,780
that this is an ongoing thing just cuz I

1300
00:53:00,250 --> 00:52:58,460
made a movie doesn't mean I'm satisfied

1301
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:00,260
and my investigations are over I'll keep

1302
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:02,510
filming you know I'll keep going there

1303
00:53:05,980 --> 00:53:03,680
as long as the invitation is

1304
00:53:08,109 --> 00:53:05,990
open which it appears to be you know

1305
00:53:10,299 --> 00:53:08,119
there is a coordinated attempt to work

1306
00:53:12,099 --> 00:53:10,309
all together to get and document this

1307
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:12,109
information I am a little bit I guess a

1308
00:53:16,510 --> 00:53:14,329
part of it now which is great or a big

1309
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:16,520
part of it I guess so so yeah I mean I'm

1310
00:53:21,730 --> 00:53:20,089
I will continue to you know Eve all my

1311
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:21,740
understanding and to investigate and as

1312
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:23,210
much as I'm in it welcomed and invited

1313
00:53:27,549 --> 00:53:25,730
and my focus goes far beyond the ranch

1314
00:53:29,170 --> 00:53:27,559
though it's the entire Uintah Basin it's

1315
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,180
the people there that I've made

1316
00:53:33,849 --> 00:53:31,280
relationships with and it will extend

1317
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:33,859
beyond the ranch itself and maybe to

1318
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:36,050
other hotspots that I've become aware of

1319
00:53:41,230 --> 00:53:38,089
that are private and that kind of thing

1320
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:41,240
yeah I will I will continue now I'm

1321
00:53:46,059 --> 00:53:44,089
speaking for me I know other people like

1322
00:53:47,770 --> 00:53:46,069
George Knapp said he doesn't really feel

1323
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,780
he wants to tempt fate anymore you know

1324
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:49,760
he's seen the effects of continued

1325
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:51,650
exposure to whatever's at the ranch and

1326
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:54,050
it has not been positive I think it

1327
00:53:58,359 --> 00:53:56,210
would take something really big to bring

1328
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:58,369
George Knapp back to the ranch but you

1329
00:54:07,900 --> 00:53:59,599
know you never know with him

1330
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:07,910
I keep if I'm invited I'll go oh that's

1331
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:09,049
good to hear well let me know if you

1332
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:12,400
need some company my man yeah for that

1333
00:54:19,539 --> 00:54:17,089
yes sort of mixing your films together

1334
00:54:22,329 --> 00:54:19,549
here for a minute a mash up of sorts to

1335
00:54:25,180 --> 00:54:22,339
your knowledge do you know if to the

1336
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:25,190
stars Academy you know Louis Elizondo or

1337
00:54:30,190 --> 00:54:28,160
anyone involved with a tip or even bass

1338
00:54:32,799 --> 00:54:30,200
I guess at this point have any of them

1339
00:54:34,690 --> 00:54:32,809
ever consulted or spoken with Bob Lazar

1340
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:34,700
to your knowledge about what he

1341
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:36,890
experienced I'm just curious

1342
00:54:44,289 --> 00:54:42,559
so no you know it's completely separate

1343
00:54:46,210 --> 00:54:44,299
I'm trying to think how I can answer

1344
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,220
this though there is something

1345
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:48,079
interesting that I want to say and I

1346
00:54:53,650 --> 00:54:51,049
just need to be cognizant of you know

1347
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when you're asked to keep something to

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00:55:02,380 --> 00:54:55,490
yourself so let me contemplate this a

1349
00:55:05,049 --> 00:55:02,390
second Bob Lazar story if true which is

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00:55:08,339 --> 00:55:05,059
something you need to decide is very

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powerful especially if there was say

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00:55:17,290 --> 00:55:12,440
government inquiry to secrecy around the

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00:55:20,830 --> 00:55:17,300
topic of UFOs so if there was an attempt

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00:55:24,670 --> 00:55:20,840
to even have closed congressional

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00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:24,680
briefings on the subject I would find it

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00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:27,290
highly fascinating if lazarre's name

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00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:28,970
would come up as somebody who could

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00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:32,480
testify to his experiences I don't know

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00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:34,730
if that answers your question but no TTS

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00:55:42,460 --> 00:55:38,000
a um although I know Tom is gonna do a

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00:55:44,050 --> 00:55:42,470
basic book on on Bob's you know on his

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00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:44,060
life you know the the basics of his

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00:55:47,020 --> 00:55:45,710
story I know that's coming out I can't

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00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,030
wait for that that's pretty cool I've

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00:55:53,170 --> 00:55:49,520
already you know I'm aware of it but no

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00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:53,180
III don't know if I answered you yeah

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00:55:59,410 --> 00:55:56,390
there's let's just say that I am aware

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that there is interest in bob story from

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00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:02,030
from multiple angles people that believe

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00:56:06,820 --> 00:56:04,190
his story yeah I mean that that answers

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00:56:08,260 --> 00:56:06,830
it for me I mean yeah we we also don't

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00:56:11,290 --> 00:56:08,270
know what happens behind closed doors

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00:56:13,810 --> 00:56:11,300
either you know so yeah who knows I just

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00:56:15,340 --> 00:56:13,820
I found that a curious inquiry from a

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00:56:17,110 --> 00:56:15,350
listener of ours trying to make

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00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,120
connections that might be there or might

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00:56:21,940 --> 00:56:19,040
not I guess well we'll just have to wait

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00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:21,950
and see so to sort of wrap this up with

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00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:23,990
you Jeremy today what do you want people

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00:56:29,620 --> 00:56:26,930
to get out of watching the film what

1381
00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:29,630
what is your primary goal with hunt for

1382
00:56:34,690 --> 00:56:31,940
the skinwalker here you know look again

1383
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:34,700
a great quote from George Knapp is you

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00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:37,250
know it's our duty to investigate the

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00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:39,410
unexplained not explain the

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00:56:44,980 --> 00:56:42,770
uninvestigated so what I would like is

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00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:44,990
for everybody first of all to support

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00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:47,390
this type of endeavor by purchasing the

1389
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:49,850
film straight up go buy the film on

1390
00:56:55,630 --> 00:56:53,690
iTunes or Vimeo or Amazon by you doing

1391
00:56:59,080 --> 00:56:55,640
that and sharing the film with another

1392
00:57:01,600 --> 00:56:59,090
person you you exponentially increase my

1393
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:01,610
ability to make another film and to go

1394
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:04,490
deeper into this subject I am a pure

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00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:09,050
100% independent filmmaker so when you

1396
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:11,030
swatch and purchase my film that

1397
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:13,490
actually allows me to continue to do my

1398
00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:14,960
work it this is not some big Hollywood

1399
00:57:20,830 --> 00:57:18,950
studio this is me so I would like you to

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00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:20,840
go purchase the film I'd like you to

1401
00:57:24,370 --> 00:57:22,850
watch the film and I'd like you to

1402
00:57:26,350 --> 00:57:24,380
maintain an open mind where you're

1403
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,360
investigating the unexplained with me in

1404
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:28,400
the film and then I would like you to

1405
00:57:32,859 --> 00:57:30,410
get great questions

1406
00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:32,869
from what it is you see and go explore

1407
00:57:38,349 --> 00:57:35,480
these questions for yourself I want you

1408
00:57:40,510 --> 00:57:38,359
to engage this topic we need bright

1409
00:57:42,940 --> 00:57:40,520
creative minds from different angles

1410
00:57:44,980 --> 00:57:42,950
engaging this topic one person one film

1411
00:57:47,279 --> 00:57:44,990
one podcast one film it's not enough

1412
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:47,289
everybody needs to pitch in and

1413
00:57:51,579 --> 00:57:49,490
participate if you have an ounce of

1414
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:51,589
curiosity about it that's a sign that's

1415
00:57:55,779 --> 00:57:54,049
a sign you got to be involved so that's

1416
00:57:58,270 --> 00:57:55,789
what I want the film to do I want it to

1417
00:57:59,920 --> 00:57:58,280
weaponize your curiosity I want it to

1418
00:58:02,500 --> 00:57:59,930
move you from being a passive observer

1419
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:02,510
and consumer of this type of information

1420
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:05,210
to be an active participant and

1421
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:07,730
contributor simple I couldn't put it

1422
00:58:11,859 --> 00:58:10,010
better myself Jeremy where can we find

1423
00:58:14,289 --> 00:58:11,869
all of your other work and your films

1424
00:58:17,049 --> 00:58:14,299
what is the hub everything is found at

1425
00:58:19,630 --> 00:58:17,059
extraordinary beliefs calm and that's

1426
00:58:22,690 --> 00:58:19,640
where you can see all of my current past

1427
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:22,700
and future film work for the movie hunt

1428
00:58:28,089 --> 00:58:25,369
for the skinwalker really go to iTunes

1429
00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:28,099
buy the bad boy it's so worth it you

1430
00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:30,470
guys you're gonna enjoy the movie it's a

1431
00:58:34,359 --> 00:58:32,390
real ride a real journey and again it's

1432
00:58:36,190 --> 00:58:34,369
a miracle I could get you this footage

1433
00:58:38,289 --> 00:58:36,200
and get you this story at this time this

1434
00:58:40,809 --> 00:58:38,299
this movie was never supposed to be made

1435
00:58:44,980 --> 00:58:40,819
in fact it was it was prohibited to be

1436
00:58:47,799 --> 00:58:44,990
made now you can see it absolutely and I

1437
00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:47,809
have to end here with probably the most

1438
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:49,430
powerful quote I took from you

1439
00:58:54,250 --> 00:58:51,529
personally in this film is something

1440
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:54,260
prowess hear something lurks and if you

1441
00:58:58,660 --> 00:58:56,569
hunt it it's gonna hunt you back so

1442
00:59:00,609 --> 00:58:58,670
Jeremy I have to thank you for coming on

1443
00:59:03,220 --> 00:59:00,619
today thank you so much Ryan I really

1444
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:03,230
appreciate it I am stoked to be on your

1445
00:59:07,180 --> 00:59:04,910
show because I have a fan of your show

1446
00:59:09,250 --> 00:59:07,190
so let's drop this episode let's

1447
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,260
weaponize people with curiosity and I'll

1448
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:11,359
catch you next time I mean brother let's

1449
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:15,170
do it that's it for this week's episode

1450
00:59:20,349 --> 00:59:17,450
again hunt for the skinwalker is

1451
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:20,359
available on iTunes and Vimeo starting

1452
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:23,359
tomorrow September 11 order right now

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00:59:28,930 --> 00:59:26,960
and receive hours of bonus features for

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00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:28,940
more info on this film in all of

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00:59:33,779 --> 00:59:31,730
Jeremy's previous and upcoming films be

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00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:33,789
sure to visit his official website

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00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:36,450
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00:59:41,690 --> 00:59:39,180
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1461
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:47,220
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00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:51,270
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01:00:34,250 --> 01:00:31,710
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01:00:37,250 --> 01:00:34,260
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01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:37,260
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1480
01:00:46,140 --> 01:00:39,510
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01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:53,049
with two marriages to his name Boy Scout

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01:01:00,249 --> 01:00:57,680
patches that claim he knows how to shoot

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it when the time comes he knows to use

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